don mcpherson and feminist activist, and espn.com columnist, jonell hill. so nice to have you all here. let me just start with you, dave. is staying and enduring the manly thing to do or is walking away and revealing, basically being a whistle-blower, the manly thing to do? >> this is about manhood versus adulthood. manhood, a very narrow definition that feeds into this gender binary of manhood in the nfl. and what does that binary mean? it means that being a man means being able to take violence, it means being able to inflict violence. it means having incredibly retrograde views about women, about lbgt people, and it means being able to be a white guy who says, i can drop n-bombs because it's all good, it's the culture. the other side, you have adulthood. that's jonathan martin saying, i shouldn't have to fight this guy to have this job. this is a union workplace. and we could spend this whole time talking about this violent, bullying, joke making, n-bomb dropping portrait of pew tres sense that is inckocognitincogn that would let some off the hook. none